“We’re talking about several different things, and they all tend to be conflated. And that’s part of the problem. So you have denial of service attacks, where a website is taken down. And you have cyber espionage, where you have hackers, whether it’s criminal groups or perhaps even state-sponsored hack into private networks and steal information. Those definitely exist and they’re serious.
But what happens is that somebody like Richard Clarke, they use examples of these things that we know, and then they say we should be worried about trains derailing, planes falling out of the sky. And there, you’re talking about real kinetic cyber attacks that we have very little evidence for.” (Jerry Brito, On The Media)